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[2020-03-28 12:44:05 CET] <heinz> bye
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[2020-03-28 13:21:47 CET] <zx-user> 
[2020-03-28 13:21:56 CET] <zx-user> helo
[2020-03-28 13:22:00 CET] <zx-user> hello
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[2020-03-28 13:22:32 CET] <zx-user> helloooo
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[2020-03-29 19:51:45 CEST] <rune> Hi Erik, 2 mins Gotta go...
[2020-03-29 19:52:06 CEST] <bokje> hi rune, 2 mins only...?
[2020-03-29 19:54:19 CEST] <rune> Yeah, Im back.
[2020-03-29 19:54:44 CEST] <rune> How are you getting on with the board?
[2020-03-29 19:55:15 CEST] <bokje> i see, not only 2 mins for irc :-)
[2020-03-29 19:55:38 CEST] <rune> Noooo
[2020-03-29 19:55:47 CEST] <bokje> step by step, resistors only
[2020-03-29 19:56:09 CEST] <rune> Resistors and sockets are the big jobs
[2020-03-29 19:56:42 CEST] <rune> Remember to check orientation of the middle transistor.
[2020-03-29 19:56:49 CEST] <bokje> next the ic sockets indeed, one of these evenings
[2020-03-29 19:57:09 CEST] <bokje> q2 it was, wasnt it?
[2020-03-29 19:57:27 CEST] <rune> Yes, the one where you get 3.5 MHz
[2020-03-29 19:57:58 CEST] <rune> I also had no success with the speaker transistor so I went to ZTX313 and its perfect
[2020-03-29 19:58:27 CEST] <rune> Also 50 Ohm speaker is very quiet, 32 ohm is better
[2020-03-29 19:58:34 CEST] <bokje> yes after the sockets and the necessary components ill try the oscillator and clock
[2020-03-29 19:59:00 CEST] <bokje> ok ill remember that, i forgot to buy a speaker...
[2020-03-29 19:59:28 CEST] <rune> Its possibly something you can do without going by the sounds in games
[2020-03-29 19:59:51 CEST] <rune> The games software is 80% bad
[2020-03-29 20:00:15 CEST] <bokje> yes, but is sounds like a "helloe world" on the ace ;-)
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[2020-03-29 20:00:30 CEST] <heinz> hi all
[2020-03-29 20:00:34 CEST] <bokje> hallo heinz!
[2020-03-29 20:00:35 CEST] <rune> Hello heinz
[2020-03-29 20:01:07 CEST] <rune> Sounds is same a spectrum beeper before the coders learned how to make it work
[2020-03-29 20:01:35 CEST] <bokje> i see i only know sudoku...
[2020-03-29 20:02:08 CEST] <heinz> I've to listen a bit before I can talk.
[2020-03-29 20:02:36 CEST] <bokje> i see!
[2020-03-29 20:02:43 CEST] <rune> That was written recently, the early 80s is poor, the ace didnt last long enough for very good software to be written
[2020-03-29 20:03:11 CEST] <rune> Who said you had to listen Heinz? Jump straight in.
[2020-03-29 20:03:34 CEST] <bokje> indeed!
[2020-03-29 20:03:51 CEST] <rune> Heinz - Got frogger to work. I was trying the Boldfield version.
[2020-03-29 20:04:02 CEST] <rune> It stops with error 4 though
[2020-03-29 20:04:14 CEST] <heinz> Did you try my frogg.tap?
[2020-03-29 20:04:25 CEST] <rune> Yes, you had a different version
[2020-03-29 20:04:43 CEST] <heinz> better or poorer?
[2020-03-29 20:04:57 CEST] <rune> But it stops with error 4 during the intro screen
[2020-03-29 20:05:09 CEST] <heinz> which one?
[2020-03-29 20:05:15 CEST] <rune> I have looked at both in the emulator, both play too fast
[2020-03-29 20:05:40 CEST] <heinz> I had it only on the3 real ace.
[2020-03-29 20:05:40 CEST] <rune> The first screen, it prints frogger and then there is scrolling part. There
[2020-03-29 20:05:44 CEST] <bokje> error 4 is a programming error?
[2020-03-29 20:06:01 CEST] <rune> Yes, its using a Compiling Word or something
[2020-03-29 20:06:07 CEST] <heinz> By the way, Erik, is your ACE ready for playing?
[2020-03-29 20:06:42 CEST] <bokje> today i soldered the first components, the resistors
[2020-03-29 20:06:51 CEST] <heinz> good luck.
[2020-03-29 20:07:01 CEST] <bokje> so its progressing :-)
[2020-03-29 20:07:08 CEST] <bokje> thank you!
[2020-03-29 20:07:19 CEST] <heinz> don't mix up the 1k resisstors. ;-)
[2020-03-29 20:07:28 CEST] <heinz> resistors
[2020-03-29 20:07:42 CEST] <bokje> i wonder what the tv image will be after first power on...
[2020-03-29 20:08:03 CEST] <bokje> i"ll check these again ;-)
[2020-03-29 20:08:09 CEST] <heinz> With or without any ICs?
[2020-03-29 20:08:23 CEST] <rune> Its reasonable even without Heinz transistor mod.
[2020-03-29 20:08:43 CEST] <heinz> I could send you a guide to check thte functions stepwise
[2020-03-29 20:08:58 CEST] <bokje> yes first power on will be without ics, next the counters plugged in
[2020-03-29 20:09:08 CEST] <heinz> right.
[2020-03-29 20:09:18 CEST] <bokje> that will be very helpful!
[2020-03-29 20:09:21 CEST] <heinz> And a picture should appear.
[2020-03-29 20:09:46 CEST] <heinz> If not then the clock is missing.
[2020-03-29 20:10:06 CEST] <bokje> does the board need extra capacitors or wiring at the 5v supply?
[2020-03-29 20:10:36 CEST] <rune> Yes, 104s across the RAM and ROM
[2020-03-29 20:10:53 CEST] <heinz> One could solder a diode to avoid wrong polarity.
[2020-03-29 20:11:00 CEST] <bokje> ok i"ll remember that also
[2020-03-29 20:11:40 CEST] <rune> Heinz, what resistance is your speaker?
[2020-03-29 20:12:04 CEST] <heinz> I use a power supply 9V DC as for the ZX81. The same jack.
[2020-03-29 20:12:24 CEST] <heinz> my is about 35 Ohm.
[2020-03-29 20:12:25 CEST] <rune> Same here. Zeddy PSU
[2020-03-29 20:12:36 CEST] <heinz> Should not be less then 15Ohm.
[2020-03-29 20:12:47 CEST] <rune> Similar to mine. I went to 32 ohm
[2020-03-29 20:13:07 CEST] <heinz> 32 is good.
[2020-03-29 20:13:24 CEST] <rune> Yes, loud enough
[2020-03-29 20:13:26 CEST] <heinz> 15 Ohm would mean a current of 300mA through the transistor.
[2020-03-29 20:14:25 CEST] <rune> Would this have been the Malherts weekend? Or was it last week?
[2020-03-29 20:14:48 CEST] <heinz> I built my first key adapter for the joystick IF today.
[2020-03-29 20:15:02 CEST] <rune> 5678 0?
[2020-03-29 20:15:06 CEST] <heinz> M. should be this weekend.
[2020-03-29 20:15:26 CEST] <heinz> The arrow keys 5678
[2020-03-29 20:15:38 CEST] <rune> I need to get some parcel tape, the roll had 300mm left on it
[2020-03-29 20:16:09 CEST] <rune> So pickup will be Tuesday. It will be tracked and insured though
[2020-03-29 20:16:32 CEST] <bokje> that will be really great!
[2020-03-29 20:16:34 CEST] <heinz> Don't hurry!
[2020-03-29 20:16:52 CEST] <rune> OK, Eriks on Tueday, Heinz next autumn
[2020-03-29 20:16:53 CEST] <heinz> The 5678 adaptor is good for fogger and lunar lander.
[2020-03-29 20:17:06 CEST] <heinz> Did you do your homework, Dave?
[2020-03-29 20:17:12 CEST] <rune> Yes its a popular combination
[2020-03-29 20:17:46 CEST] <rune> Erm yes. I think so. Thats like a Liz questin when I dont know the answer
[2020-03-29 20:17:49 CEST] <heinz> I mean checking the games for the used keys?
[2020-03-29 20:18:13 CEST] <heinz> and extending the excel list?
[2020-03-29 20:18:15 CEST] <rune> Yes, got another goodish game. Lunar Lander, also called Astrian Descent
[2020-03-29 20:18:57 CEST] <rune> I have added a few more. I'd like to get Othello and chess sorted. Also the Assembler/Disassembler
[2020-03-29 20:19:15 CEST] <rune> Its different from the othe rLander
[2020-03-29 20:19:23 CEST] <heinz> Erik, how are the corona things in NL?
[2020-03-29 20:20:19 CEST] <rune> He is off soldering again
[2020-03-29 20:20:42 CEST] <heinz> ;-)
[2020-03-29 20:20:58 CEST] <bokje> we"ll have to see if the precautions have effect, but it seems so
[2020-03-29 20:21:10 CEST] <heinz> I decided to use a 28 pin ZFS. Found one in my box.
[2020-03-29 20:21:39 CEST] <heinz> what is the daily increase rate?
[2020-03-29 20:22:24 CEST] <bokje> far less than exponentially fortunately
[2020-03-29 20:22:24 CEST] <heinz> In Germany wwe have about 12% now.
[2020-03-29 20:22:41 CEST] <heinz> Had 30% two weeks ago.
[2020-03-29 20:23:32 CEST] <rune> UK, the last three days show a small drop. 2800, 2550, 2450
[2020-03-29 20:23:51 CEST] <heinz> Merkel hopes that it will go down to 7% in two weeks. Would mean 500,000 infected people at this time.
[2020-03-29 20:24:14 CEST] <rune> Do you test everyone in NL and DE
[2020-03-29 20:24:15 CEST] <heinz> in 20 days.
[2020-03-29 20:24:34 CEST] <bokje> no...
[2020-03-29 20:24:38 CEST] <heinz> No, only people with symtomes are tested.
[2020-03-29 20:24:46 CEST] <rune> They only test bad cases here. So probably 10 x as many as are reported
[2020-03-29 20:24:48 CEST] <heinz> Except medical stuff.
[2020-03-29 20:24:53 CEST] <rune> Same here
[2020-03-29 20:25:03 CEST] <heinz> staff
[2020-03-29 20:25:31 CEST] <rune> My son has to go back onto the wards next week. Hope he doesnt contract the virus
[2020-03-29 20:26:40 CEST] <heinz> Sometimes it should be very mild.
[2020-03-29 20:26:47 CEST] <heinz> But this is statistics. 
[2020-03-29 20:27:11 CEST] <rune> Flr young people yes. But a young girl of 20 died. She had no other health problems
[2020-03-29 20:27:30 CEST] <rune> Also 46 doctors in Italy.
[2020-03-29 20:27:33 CEST] <rune> for
[2020-03-29 20:29:07 CEST] <heinz> I am surprised that NL did not close the borders to Germany.
[2020-03-29 20:29:21 CEST] <rune> Do the police patrol the streets and ask people what they are doing if they are out walking?
[2020-03-29 20:29:53 CEST] <heinz> Not here, but in Berlin you could find patrols.
[2020-03-29 20:30:15 CEST] <rune> We still have idiots that want to drive miles to beauty spots to get excercise
[2020-03-29 20:30:28 CEST] <heinz> Our citizens are well-behaved.
[2020-03-29 20:30:38 CEST] <heinz> in Potssdam
[2020-03-29 20:30:42 CEST] <heinz> potsdam
[2020-03-29 20:31:02 CEST] <rune> I've seen a police car driving into the street a few times and they stopped and told a woman to sand back 2 meteres. She was out and talking to someon ein their garden
[2020-03-29 20:32:04 CEST] <heinz> the penalty is quite high, 2500€ .
[2020-03-29 20:32:18 CEST] <rune> Our supermarket shoppers are idiots, the abuse the shop staff, cant under stand why the cant buy dozend of toilet rolls or all the food
[2020-03-29 20:32:31 CEST] <rune> 2500 is high, its 30 here
[2020-03-29 20:32:59 CEST] <heinz> I don't know why all people buy toilet rolls.
[2020-03-29 20:33:15 CEST] <rune> No one does but some people think its essential
[2020-03-29 20:34:04 CEST] <rune> Also the bin men say that people are putting bags of food they cant use in the rubbish
[2020-03-29 20:34:04 CEST] <heinz> At the béginning of the epidemie it was expected that people will get the runs, but it is not so.
[2020-03-29 20:34:44 CEST] <rune> there is something like 1 billion worth of extra food stored at home now
[2020-03-29 20:35:07 CEST] <heinz> Did you read in the newspaper?
[2020-03-29 20:35:14 CEST] <rune> Yes and on the TV
[2020-03-29 20:35:14 CEST] <heinz> read this
[2020-03-29 20:35:35 CEST] <heinz> Let us stop for today.
[2020-03-29 20:36:01 CEST] <rune> OK. Talk to you later. Bye Heinz and Bokje
[2020-03-29 20:36:09 CEST] <heinz> Bye all.
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