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[2019-04-01 04:28:55 CEST] <zx81jens> hello.
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[2019-04-07 20:19:27 CEST] <rune> Hello Heinz
[2019-04-07 20:19:39 CEST] <rune> I forgot the time
[2019-04-07 20:20:26 CEST] <heinz> hello dave
[2019-04-07 20:20:47 CEST] <heinz> just now i wrote an email to you.
[2019-04-07 20:20:53 CEST] <rune> I'll check
[2019-04-07 20:21:48 CEST] <rune> Yes, I had to put different amounts in until I got close. Also I wasnt sure if you would need to pay paypal fees.
[2019-04-07 20:21:57 CEST] <rune> If you do and its more let me know
[2019-04-07 20:22:15 CEST] <rune> But important, Pauls board. Sounds very interesting
[2019-04-07 20:22:44 CEST] <heinz> yes, pauls board had a lot of mistakes.
[2019-04-07 20:23:10 CEST] <heinz> but inprincipal, it could be interesting.
[2019-04-07 20:23:39 CEST] <rune> Yes, is that the same board as the one at the top of ZX Team forum called a daughterboard?
[2019-04-07 20:24:01 CEST] <heinz> it would allow to extend each original zx81 temporarrally with ram and rom without open the case.
[2019-04-07 20:24:40 CEST] <heinz> no, the daughterboard was mentioned only 3 days ago.
[2019-04-07 20:25:05 CEST] <rune> OK, so there could be a choice of nice boards. We live in interesting times
[2019-04-07 20:25:41 CEST] <heinz> one has to remove the rom and the ram and put the daughterboard instead of them.
[2019-04-07 20:26:19 CEST] <rune> So, you have the ROM, RAM etc running on Pauls board
[2019-04-07 20:26:27 CEST] <heinz> pauls board was mentioned two month ago, and then it was a big silent.
[2019-04-07 20:26:27 CEST] <rune> ... and VDrive
[2019-04-07 20:27:06 CEST] <heinz> i have runningg the external rom, external ram.
[2019-04-07 20:27:19 CEST] <heinz> the vdrive is not yet on board.
[2019-04-07 20:27:26 CEST] <rune> Can you switch ROMs?
[2019-04-07 20:27:36 CEST] <heinz> and there is a problem with forth.
[2019-04-07 20:28:08 CEST] <heinz> external rom and forth seem to be impossible.
[2019-04-07 20:28:36 CEST] <heinz> reason: h4th uses ascii, but zx81 and ula do not.
[2019-04-07 20:28:37 CEST] <rune> But these things need to start somewhere. Its good its been thought about, built and being developed
[2019-04-07 20:29:06 CEST] <rune> So, Forth characters in DFILE with bit 6 set?
[2019-04-07 20:29:18 CEST] <heinz> the board is very good to load and run zx81 software.
[2019-04-07 20:29:34 CEST] <heinz> no, not bit 6.
[2019-04-07 20:30:08 CEST] <heinz> try  in zx81:  print code "a". the answer is not 65.
[2019-04-07 20:30:41 CEST] <heinz> try in forth: 65 emit. the answer is "a"
[2019-04-07 20:30:46 CEST] <rune> OK, but the ROMs are different and dont really interact
[2019-04-07 20:31:49 CEST] <heinz> the problem is the couriosity of zx81 to generate the picture.
[2019-04-07 20:32:21 CEST] <rune> You are already a long way beyond my understanding
[2019-04-07 20:33:09 CEST] <heinz> if we write the code 65 in the video ram, then during refresh cycle the ula will read this 65 and will decode it by the character table of the zx81.
[2019-04-07 20:33:42 CEST] <heinz> but inthis table the character numbered 65 does not look like a "a"
[2019-04-07 20:34:21 CEST] <rune> What is 65 - INKEY$
[2019-04-07 20:34:27 CEST] <heinz> but i think there is no need to run h4th on pauls board.
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[2019-04-07 20:35:10 CEST] <rune> Got kicked out then
[2019-04-07 20:35:16 CEST] <heinz> back again?
[2019-04-07 20:35:29 CEST] <rune> Yes, no idea what happened
[2019-04-07 20:35:56 CEST] <rune> I have my laser engraver printed
[2019-04-07 20:36:00 CEST] <heinz> there is another interesting thing.
[2019-04-07 20:36:08 CEST] <rune> OK, go on...
[2019-04-07 20:36:17 CEST] <heinz> does the engraver work?
[2019-04-07 20:36:29 CEST] <rune> Not yet, got driver boards coming.
[2019-04-07 20:36:55 CEST] <rune> I havent managed to rescue the laser intact yet, but I can buy a 1000mW laser for 15.00
[2019-04-07 20:36:59 CEST] <heinz> send me a picture from your first attempts.
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[2019-04-07 20:37:32 CEST] <rune> Kicked off again
[2019-04-07 20:37:52 CEST] <heinz> the point i have mentioned before is:
[2019-04-07 20:37:59 CEST] <heinz> ....
[2019-04-07 20:38:19 CEST] <heinz> bokje wrote an extension for h4th,
[2019-04-07 20:38:42 CEST] <heinz> to use the zeddynet card under h4th.
[2019-04-07 20:38:44 CEST] <rune> What does it do
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[2019-04-07 20:39:06 CEST] <heinz> might be we could chat using h4th.
[2019-04-07 20:39:09 CEST] <rune> You mentioned that. We can try talking zeddy to zeddy
[2019-04-07 20:39:48 CEST] <rune> I'll need to do it when Liz is working as I need to take over the main TV 
[2019-04-07 20:39:51 CEST] <heinz> the problem is that i have no knowledge about lan connections.
[2019-04-07 20:40:04 CEST] <rune> the only place I have access to ethernet
[2019-04-07 20:40:12 CEST] <heinz> how to establish, what addresses, ...
[2019-04-07 20:40:28 CEST] <rune> Also what about software. 
[2019-04-07 20:40:38 CEST] <heinz> do you have a zeddynet card?
[2019-04-07 20:40:41 CEST] <rune> Would be need an IRC program
[2019-04-07 20:40:46 CEST] <rune> Yes, got one
[2019-04-07 20:41:09 CEST] <heinz> i think that bokje wrote also an irc program.
[2019-04-07 20:41:28 CEST] <rune> Does the guy have no limits
[2019-04-07 20:41:43 CEST] <heinz> if you like i could send the whole package i got today to you.
[2019-04-07 20:42:04 CEST] <rune> His IRC program must allow the IP tp be setup
[2019-04-07 20:42:15 CEST] <heinz> might be you could assistant me.
[2019-04-07 20:42:26 CEST] <rune> Yes, I'll give it a try. Do I need a new ROM burned
[2019-04-07 20:42:38 CEST] <rune> Or are the extensions in Forth
[2019-04-07 20:42:39 CEST] <heinz> dont think so.
[2019-04-07 20:42:46 CEST] <heinz> oh, no.
[2019-04-07 20:43:02 CEST] <heinz> he wrote that he has modified the 8k rom.
[2019-04-07 20:43:32 CEST] <rune> OK, so I'd need a different ROM. Does it have your VDrive commands
[2019-04-07 20:43:47 CEST] <heinz> i dont know.
[2019-04-07 20:44:02 CEST] <heinz> all is very fresh and recently.
[2019-04-07 20:44:30 CEST] <rune> We need to check it out then. I can maybe load from TZXDuino 
[2019-04-07 20:44:39 CEST] <heinz> ddi you remember of groningen?
[2019-04-07 20:44:56 CEST] <heinz> nice city.
[2019-04-07 20:44:57 CEST] <rune> No, is it where beir is made?
[2019-04-07 20:45:16 CEST] <heinz> the have a lot of breweries.
[2019-04-07 20:45:22 CEST] <heinz> they
[2019-04-07 20:45:50 CEST] <heinz> and jenever.
[2019-04-07 20:46:11 CEST] <heinz> and close to uk.
[2019-04-07 20:46:43 CEST] <rune> Maybe the Jenever. We drank litres of it when I was over in Amsterdam many many years ago
[2019-04-07 20:46:54 CEST] <rune> It came in stone bottles
[2019-04-07 20:46:59 CEST] <heinz> dave,  let us stopfor today.
[2019-04-07 20:47:10 CEST] <rune> OK, will talk next week. 
[2019-04-07 20:47:14 CEST] <heinz> next sunday?
[2019-04-07 20:47:20 CEST] <heinz> ok.
[2019-04-07 20:47:22 CEST] <heinz> bye
[2019-04-07 20:47:23 CEST] <rune> Send me Bokjes stuff
[2019-04-07 20:47:25 CEST] <rune> Bye
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