[2019-02-19 22:18:09 CET] * betamax joined [2019-02-19 22:18:29 CET] * betamax quit (Yaaic - Yet another Android IRC client - http://www.yaaic.org) [2019-02-20 19:06:11 CET] * betamax joined [2019-02-20 20:50:21 CET] * betamax quit (ping timeout) [2019-02-20 21:05:25 CET] * betamax joined [2019-02-21 02:50:59 CET] * betamax quit (ping timeout) [2019-02-22 20:38:19 CET] * Guest819 joined [2019-02-22 23:05:31 CET] * Guest819 quit (CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)) [2019-02-24 19:56:08 CET] * rune joined [2019-02-24 20:01:36 CET] * heinz joined [2019-02-24 20:01:45 CET] hello dave [2019-02-24 20:02:11 CET] hello heinz [2019-02-24 20:02:19 CET] how are you? [2019-02-24 20:05:30 CET] * rune quit (ping timeout) [2019-02-24 20:06:42 CET] [2019-02-24 20:07:38 CET] * rune joined [2019-02-24 20:07:55 CET] Hi, lost connection there and had to restart the PC [2019-02-24 20:08:09 CET] Bad start... [2019-02-24 20:08:10 CET] o.k. [2019-02-24 20:08:34 CET] Thanks for info about H4th commands. I still have 1 problem [2019-02-24 20:08:47 CET] which one? [2019-02-24 20:09:21 CET] Sometimes I cant get anything to work. I think the VDrive is busy or something, but I get no response from - say DIR - and need to do a warm restart [2019-02-24 20:09:41 CET] But to get it fully working I need to power cycle the VDrive [2019-02-24 20:09:54 CET] Is there any way to do this from software [2019-02-24 20:10:13 CET] this happens if the vdrive want to send a message . then no new commands are accepted. [2019-02-24 20:10:21 CET] try prt. [2019-02-24 20:10:34 CET] I did, it sometimes works [2019-02-24 20:10:36 CET] or remove the stick . [2019-02-24 20:10:54 CET] I'll try that. [2019-02-24 20:10:59 CET] this leads to a restart of the vdrive. [2019-02-24 20:11:17 CET] dont forget init after that. [2019-02-24 20:11:22 CET] Also, when I use a send command, sometimes it takes a long time to see the result. [2019-02-24 20:11:35 CET] For example, " MKD TEST" SEND [2019-02-24 20:11:57 CET] then it maybe takes 4 or 5 DIR before I see the new directory [2019-02-24 20:12:05 CET] if you use the send command you should strictly follow the vdrive manual. [2019-02-24 20:12:38 CET] Are you talking about the manual from the people who make the VDRIVE [2019-02-24 20:12:46 CET] sometimes the vdrive will reply the command by a prompt. you first have to read this prompt. [2019-02-24 20:13:24 CET] I dont have any VDRIVE manual from anywhere. [2019-02-24 20:13:45 CET] And is there a way to go back to the parent directory? [2019-02-24 20:13:53 CET] so many questions.... [2019-02-24 20:14:01 CET] yes, the vdrive/vinculum user manual. [2019-02-24 20:14:26 CET] i will send it by email just now. [2019-02-24 20:15:01 CET] I found it, just needed the Vinculum name to search [2019-02-24 20:15:13 CET] VDRIVE returns all sorts of other stuff [2019-02-24 20:16:04 CET] i ve sent it too. [2019-02-24 20:16:16 CET] thanks, i'll check [2019-02-24 20:16:35 CET] look to page 5. [2019-02-24 20:16:43 CET] introduction. [2019-02-24 20:16:59 CET] point 2.1 [2019-02-24 20:17:07 CET] 3rd line. [2019-02-24 20:17:35 CET] this explains your problems. [2019-02-24 20:17:41 CET] i hope. [2019-02-24 20:18:39 CET] I'll give it a try after the chat. Its great to see whats on screen and have a chance H4th will work :) [2019-02-24 20:18:58 CET] that is really great. [2019-02-24 20:19:51 CET] Yep, it means I havent got the PIO finished, but I did get the resistor and caps and 1 IC [2019-02-24 20:20:31 CET] do you have the zilog pio? [2019-02-24 20:20:42 CET] Yes, thats waiting to go in [2019-02-24 20:21:11 CET] I even have the edge connector ready [2019-02-24 20:21:32 CET] did you get all parts? [2019-02-24 20:21:58 CET] No, I still need to get all the ICs. Last week was very busy [2019-02-24 20:22:25 CET] Stations started to say everything was going down since I upgraded the credit cards [2019-02-24 20:23:00 CET] They couldnt realise that the hardware on devices with no card reader couldnt be affected by the upgrade [2019-02-24 20:23:08 CET] do you have to start now from the very beginning? [2019-02-24 20:23:40 CET] some new problems? [2019-02-24 20:23:51 CET] No, my work is fine. They just like to turn everything off and complain. Usually something like no tickets in the entry gate [2019-02-24 20:24:25 CET] I'd make every job they call in charable, if its something they are supoosed to check and fix [2019-02-24 20:24:27 CET] i see. [2019-02-24 20:25:08 CET] Problem is 95% of the time the system runs autonomously, and they dont bother learning how to use it [2019-02-24 20:25:27 CET] So when there is a problem, its blown out of all proportion [2019-02-24 20:25:42 CET] do you have h4th programs ready for loading? [2019-02-24 20:25:55 CET] 512 bytes long? [2019-02-24 20:25:59 CET] Yes, I wrote a Fibonacci program [2019-02-24 20:26:07 CET] that is fine. [2019-02-24 20:26:18 CET] I also have old programs like RND and Primes [2019-02-24 20:26:19 CET] did you try storing it? [2019-02-24 20:26:53 CET] Yes, evrything works until I screw the vdrive up. [2019-02-24 20:27:17 CET] I got Make dir working, change directory too [2019-02-24 20:27:18 CET] did you open it with the pc? [2019-02-24 20:27:27 CET] Yes [2019-02-24 20:27:42 CET] so everything is fine. [2019-02-24 20:27:50 CET] It looks fine, but I didnt change it incase the size changed [2019-02-24 20:28:08 CET] i have restrited to the most fundamental commands. [2019-02-24 20:28:19 CET] One strange thing. I used " REN RND RND2" SEND [2019-02-24 20:28:28 CET] since there is no space to have more. [2019-02-24 20:28:34 CET] space in the rom. [2019-02-24 20:28:50 CET] Thinking it would change the name, but it copied the directory list into RND2 [2019-02-24 20:29:34 CET] I think that VLOAD and VSTORE are fine. it should be possible to use these in new words [2019-02-24 20:29:52 CET] For example, to delete a file before saving new one with the same name [2019-02-24 20:31:36 CET] Are there any firmware upgrades for the V Drive [2019-02-24 20:31:37 CET] yes, the send-command is very universal. [2019-02-24 20:32:01 CET] i dont know if there are updaes. [2019-02-24 20:32:06 CET] dates [2019-02-24 20:32:41 CET] I just spotted BC in the document. I saw that earlier [2019-02-24 20:32:45 CET] creating new commands: dont forget to read the prompt command (page 6) [2019-02-24 20:32:50 CET] BAD COMMAND [2019-02-24 20:33:07 CET] I will [2019-02-24 20:34:15 CET] i am also waiting for chips (from china) for my signal generaator. [2019-02-24 20:34:40 CET] For the oscilloscope? [2019-02-24 20:34:56 CET] if i would order them from uk it would by theedouble price and more. [2019-02-24 20:35:05 CET] I got a simple signal generator with square, sine, saw tooth and square waves [2019-02-24 20:35:10 CET] yes, for my old radios. [2019-02-24 20:35:28 CET] i need the max038 chip. [2019-02-24 20:35:43 CET] I nearly bought a radio very similar to yours on saturday [2019-02-24 20:35:45 CET] can be used as sweeping generator. [2019-02-24 20:36:02 CET] The I realised it was plastic and said Retro radio on the front [2019-02-24 20:36:05 CET] but you did not buy it? [2019-02-24 20:36:18 CET] No it was a modern cheap copy [2019-02-24 20:36:23 CET] so, no retro. [2019-02-24 20:36:44 CET] No, unless Retro was the name of a 50s company that made radios [2019-02-24 20:36:55 CET] what is the most interesting portable radio with tubes in uk? [2019-02-24 20:37:16 CET] what producers? [2019-02-24 20:37:25 CET] I couldnt say, the first radio I had access to was transistor. [2019-02-24 20:37:38 CET] i do not kno any radio producer in uk. [2019-02-24 20:37:45 CET] sorry aboutt it. [2019-02-24 20:37:48 CET] Phillips, PYE [2019-02-24 20:38:00 CET] Echo [2019-02-24 20:38:00 CET] philips is dutch. [2019-02-24 20:38:20 CET] They had a large fa ctory near us [2019-02-24 20:38:31 CET] but dutch. [2019-02-24 20:38:42 CET] pye? [2019-02-24 20:39:00 CET] BUSH [2019-02-24 20:39:28 CET] Yes there was an electronic company called PYe, or did they do vynil records [2019-02-24 20:39:38 CET] bush is australian? [2019-02-24 20:39:59 CET] Pye Ltd was an electronics company founded in 1896 in Cambridge, England, as a manufacturer of scientific instruments. The company merged with EKCO in [2019-02-24 20:40:08 CET] ( have just opened the page radiomuseum.org [2019-02-24 20:40:25 CET] Bush is a British consumer electronics brand owned by Sainsbury's, and is one of the most famous names on early British radios. Its sister brand is Alba. Today ... [2019-02-24 20:40:28 CET] and looked for bush. found a lot. [2019-02-24 20:41:31 CET] Yes, then there was EKCO [2019-02-24 20:41:37 CET] found for instance the bush ebs31. [2019-02-24 20:41:45 CET] looks very old. [2019-02-24 20:41:58 CET] from 1952. [2019-02-24 20:42:31 CET] do you remember the name of one of the old bush radios? [2019-02-24 20:43:10 CET] No, I think Valves were on there way out about the time I was born. [2019-02-24 20:43:39 CET] We never had any electronic kit. Had a TV and Radiogram but we kids were not allowed to touch [2019-02-24 20:43:48 CET] valves have been used until 1958. [2019-02-24 20:44:00 CET] It was the late 60s before we were given a radio for christmas [2019-02-24 20:44:52 CET] Yes, but my experience was influenced by my parents who wouldnt have had a clue what was inside the "Box" [2019-02-24 20:45:02 CET] between 1958 and 1960 all radios were equipped with transistors. [2019-02-24 20:45:19 CET] I do remember picking up morse and police radios [2019-02-24 20:45:35 CET] on short wave? [2019-02-24 20:46:21 CET] I have no diea, sorry. We just pressed buttons and moved the tuner until we found something [2019-02-24 20:46:25 CET] idea [2019-02-24 20:46:59 CET] but police radio is not in the range of common radios. [2019-02-24 20:47:08 CET] you have to manipulate. [2019-02-24 20:47:37 CET] It was then. I even think the transmit and receive was on the same wavelength. Then they started on different [2019-02-24 20:48:25 CET] Back in the 60s there were very few police cars where we lived. Then they used unmarked Ford Escort vans. [2019-02-24 20:48:43 CET] No White cars with hi-vis markings or police on then [2019-02-24 20:48:59 CET] surprising. [2019-02-24 20:49:19 CET] in germany this never happens. [2019-02-24 20:49:33 CET] There were "Police" phone boxes in most villages so people could call them if needed [2019-02-24 20:49:35 CET] always special paintted police cars. [2019-02-24 20:49:55 CET] In Berlin? I lived in a small town [2019-02-24 20:50:03 CET] such boxes we did not have. [2019-02-24 20:50:21 CET] just a unified dialing number 110 [2019-02-24 20:50:24 CET] We didnt have a phone until the late 60s [2019-02-24 20:50:37 CET] or a fridge [2019-02-24 20:50:42 CET] but general red boxes? [2019-02-24 20:50:56 CET] in germany always yellow. [2019-02-24 20:51:00 CET] My mum got the first car in mid 70s. Until then outings were by bus or walk [2019-02-24 20:51:22 CET] my parents never had a car. [2019-02-24 20:51:43 CET] Police boxes here were blue and tall/narrow. You opened a door at the top and compartment was just big enough for the phone [2019-02-24 20:52:08 CET] Public phone boxes could hold two people and painted red [2019-02-24 20:52:34 CET] no general phone number for the police? [2019-02-24 20:52:43 CET] as 110? [2019-02-24 20:52:44 CET] Yes, its always been 999 [2019-02-24 20:53:00 CET] ad fire workers? [2019-02-24 20:53:01 CET] Now they have a 102 for non emergency calls [2019-02-24 20:53:04 CET] 112. [2019-02-24 20:53:29 CET] medical aid 111. [2019-02-24 20:53:32 CET] same, 999 and they ask if you want police, fire briage or ambulane [2019-02-24 20:53:36 CET] ambulance [2019-02-24 20:53:46 CET] Also coast guard if its near the sea [2019-02-24 20:54:11 CET] let us talk about the wheather. [2019-02-24 20:54:34 CET] here we have a beautifull,#sunny wheather. [2019-02-24 20:54:37 CET] Very warm, 19 degrees in wales [2019-02-24 20:54:45 CET] usually not in this month. [2019-02-24 20:54:47 CET] here about 15 [2019-02-24 20:54:59 CET] Last year we had lots of snow [2019-02-24 20:55:06 CET] temperature about 5-10 celsius. [2019-02-24 20:55:18 CET] no snow at all this year. [2019-02-24 20:55:43 CET] The climate is going crazy. I hope we have a nice summer like last year [2019-02-24 20:55:47 CET] the people start sitting outsside the restaurants. [2019-02-24 20:56:16 CET] now i see, it is almost 9 oclock. [2019-02-24 20:56:26 CET] let us stop for today. [2019-02-24 20:56:31 CET] Ok, we stop for now [2019-02-24 20:56:41 CET] have a nice week, bye. [2019-02-24 20:56:45 CET] Next week, with more questions. Be ready ;) [2019-02-24 20:56:49 CET] Bye [2019-02-24 20:56:53 CET] will be. [2019-02-24 20:56:58 CET] * rune quit (Leaving) [2019-02-24 20:56:59 CET] * heinz quit (EOT)