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[2017-02-26 19:58:04 CET] <rune> hello heinz
[2017-02-26 19:58:49 CET] <heinz> hello dave
[2017-02-26 19:59:26 CET] <rune> Thanks for organising the coins, they are fantastic
[2017-02-26 19:59:28 CET] <heinz> im glad that you enjoi the 2 coins.
[2017-02-26 19:59:37 CET] <heinz> enjoy
[2017-02-26 19:59:50 CET] <rune> oh yes. show and tell at work tomorrow
[2017-02-26 20:00:05 CET] <heinz> do you collect coins systematically?
[2017-02-26 20:01:00 CET] <heinz> do you know who hindenburg was?
[2017-02-26 20:01:00 CET] <rune> yes, i like 1960s back. some are expensive but most are there just because i like the look or feel ogf them
[2017-02-26 20:01:19 CET] <rune> cancellor before hitler?
[2017-02-26 20:01:27 CET] <rune> there was an airship
[2017-02-26 20:01:36 CET] <heinz> no, he was the president.
[2017-02-26 20:01:56 CET] <heinz> he got famous through wwi.
[2017-02-26 20:02:05 CET] <rune> ok, not sure what the difference is
[2017-02-26 20:02:18 CET] <heinz> won a battle against russia.
[2017-02-26 20:02:33 CET] <heinz> he was a general.
[2017-02-26 20:02:36 CET] <rune> OK a soldier then
[2017-02-26 20:02:41 CET] <heinz> in that time.
[2017-02-26 20:03:16 CET] <rune> He looks liek a big man
[2017-02-26 20:03:40 CET] <heinz> cancellor = prime miinister.
[2017-02-26 20:04:04 CET] <rune> president?
[2017-02-26 20:04:07 CET] <heinz> president just for representing the country, no real power.
[2017-02-26 20:04:22 CET] <heinz> as your queen
[2017-02-26 20:04:49 CET] <rune> except queen gets there by succession
[2017-02-26 20:04:58 CET] <heinz> formally, the pres is the highest position.
[2017-02-26 20:05:05 CET] <rune> Is that the same as in France
[2017-02-26 20:05:22 CET] <rune> They have two "leaders" too
[2017-02-26 20:05:38 CET] <heinz> no, french (and us ) presidents have a lot of power.
[2017-02-26 20:05:53 CET] <heinz> they determine the goverment.
[2017-02-26 20:06:18 CET] <heinz> in germany  the cancellor is doing this..
[2017-02-26 20:06:47 CET] <rune> Thats Mrs Merkel? Who is president then?
[2017-02-26 20:07:08 CET] <heinz> we had election in january.
[2017-02-26 20:07:40 CET] <heinz> now it is steinmeier, the former  miinister for foreign aff.
[2017-02-26 20:08:24 CET] <heinz> what about the wheather in england  now?
[2017-02-26 20:08:27 CET] <rune> I've never heard that name mentioned. 
[2017-02-26 20:08:48 CET] <heinz> look into the web.
[2017-02-26 20:09:00 CET] <rune> Its very stormy. The roof cover of my shed was blown off a bit. I had to fix it yesterday
[2017-02-26 20:09:08 CET] <rune> Very windy and raining now
[2017-02-26 20:09:21 CET] <rune> But other areas are much worse
[2017-02-26 20:09:25 CET] <heinz> we have phantastic wheather
[2017-02-26 20:09:40 CET] <heinz> sunny and gets warmer.
[2017-02-26 20:09:48 CET] <heinz> good for biking.
[2017-02-26 20:09:52 CET] <rune> It was good last week. 18.5 celcius
[2017-02-26 20:10:10 CET] <heinz> did you ride
[2017-02-26 20:10:15 CET] <rune> Did you go far on your bike?
[2017-02-26 20:10:17 CET] <heinz>  your bike?
[2017-02-26 20:10:35 CET] <heinz> not far, just inside the city.
[2017-02-26 20:10:45 CET] <rune> No, Liz was ill on my days off so I had to stay around the house or go shopping etc
[2017-02-26 20:11:07 CET] <heinz> brigitte is ill  too.
[2017-02-26 20:11:21 CET] <rune> flu/virus thing?
[2017-02-26 20:11:24 CET] <heinz> lying in bed and ssleeping all thhe day.
[2017-02-26 20:11:43 CET] <heinz> got cold.
[2017-02-26 20:11:49 CET] <rune> same with Liz, hopefully Bridgette will feel better soon. Liz went back to work today
[2017-02-26 20:12:08 CET] <heinz> today? on sunday?
[2017-02-26 20:12:26 CET] <rune> I seem to be immune this time. Could have done with a few days off work :)
[2017-02-26 20:12:46 CET] <rune> Yes, she works in care for elderly. no weekends off in that job
[2017-02-26 20:12:57 CET] <heinz> i ssee.
[2017-02-26 20:13:25 CET] <heinz> do they pay good for this job?
[2017-02-26 20:13:51 CET] <rune> No, but when there isnt much else going you have to take what you can get
[2017-02-26 20:14:16 CET] <heinz> are you interested in forthh?
[2017-02-26 20:14:24 CET] <heinz> h4th?
[2017-02-26 20:14:33 CET] <rune> Just over minimum wage. At least she has a company car for the work
[2017-02-26 20:14:50 CET] <rune> Yes, I love Forth. Wish I had looked at it years ago
[2017-02-26 20:15:05 CET] <rune> Any projects?
[2017-02-26 20:15:16 CET] <heinz> do you know bokje (erik)?
[2017-02-26 20:15:38 CET] <rune> No, is he one of the XZ81 gand in germany
[2017-02-26 20:15:43 CET] <rune> gang
[2017-02-26 20:15:57 CET] <heinz> no, not from germany.
[2017-02-26 20:16:19 CET] <heinz> but activ in the forum and very clever.
[2017-02-26 20:16:36 CET] <heinz> he
[2017-02-26 20:16:37 CET] <rune> Is he a Forth guru?
[2017-02-26 20:16:45 CET] <heinz> i think so.
[2017-02-26 20:16:55 CET] <heinz> in part in h4th.
[2017-02-26 20:17:01 CET] <heinz> partic..
[2017-02-26 20:17:22 CET] <heinz> he added plot rooutines and others.
[2017-02-26 20:17:44 CET] <heinz> do you have a zeddy with h4th-rom?
[2017-02-26 20:18:05 CET] <rune> No, but I used it in an emulator
[2017-02-26 20:18:19 CET] <rune> The you got me into the Speccy version
[2017-02-26 20:18:34 CET] <heinz> ??
[2017-02-26 20:19:01 CET] <heinz> benford-forth83?
[2017-02-26 20:19:03 CET] <rune> The Spectrum version of Forth... I cant remember who wrote it, but its very good
[2017-02-26 20:19:11 CET] <rune> Thats the one
[2017-02-26 20:19:54 CET] <heinz> the disadvantage in all versions is the lack of saving/loading via sd-card.
[2017-02-26 20:20:33 CET] <rune> Cant you save with forth83? It drops back to BASIC to do it
[2017-02-26 20:20:58 CET] <heinz> the h4th fforth iis really good, and the project. could be the use of sd-cards.
[2017-02-26 20:21:34 CET] <heinz> you are right. forth83 is  able to do it.
[2017-02-26 20:21:54 CET] <rune> Is the H4th ROM available? Even as an image
[2017-02-26 20:21:57 CET] <heinz> at least with thhe emmulator or with the if1.
[2017-02-26 20:22:19 CET] <rune> I found an Eprom burner at work. It can read and copy 8 Eproms at a time
[2017-02-26 20:22:46 CET] <heinz> h4th exist as a rom for eightyyone or for a reeal zeddy.
[2017-02-26 20:22:48 CET] <rune> I'll borrow it for a few weeks
[2017-02-26 20:23:16 CET] <heinz> try h4th first with eightyone.
[2017-02-26 20:23:26 CET] <rune> I have the standard ROM image, but does Eriks image exist?
[2017-02-26 20:23:34 CET] <heinz> there is a good manual.
[2017-02-26 20:23:44 CET] <rune> I was using H4th then went to Forth 83
[2017-02-26 20:24:19 CET] <heinz> eriik has changeg  or extendd not to muuch.
[2017-02-26 20:24:29 CET] <rune> I got some very good Forth books from the 80s, very cheap if you watch Amazon. I think 1 cent each
[2017-02-26 20:24:35 CET] <heinz> you can find it in the foorum.
[2017-02-26 20:25:11 CET] <rune> OK, I'll have a look. I need to get back into programming again. been watching TV too much lately
[2017-02-26 20:26:52 CET] <heinz> in a post "h4th for zxmore" you will find hp.zip  from bokje.
[2017-02-26 20:27:28 CET] <rune> looking now
[2017-02-26 20:28:18 CET] <heinz> if you want use h4th on real zeddy you have to remove the sincllair-rom first.
[2017-02-26 20:28:24 CET] <rune> Found it
[2017-02-26 20:28:42 CET] <heinz> ploot/unplot?
[2017-02-26 20:28:50 CET] <heinz> plot
[2017-02-26 20:29:10 CET] <heinz> from febr 26th
[2017-02-26 20:29:25 CET] <rune> Is that at the pixel or quarter character lever
[2017-02-26 20:29:33 CET] <heinz> right.
[2017-02-26 20:30:11 CET] <heinz> my first project iin this direction is to ccontrol the mrrx  card by forth.
[2017-02-26 20:30:42 CET] <heinz> just to train how to work wiithh ext. hardware.
[2017-02-26 20:31:23 CET] <rune> Im not as ambitious. I want to write a traffic simulator with 1 cross road and traffic lights
[2017-02-26 20:31:30 CET] <heinz> if it works then i could try to addd an sdd-crd  f.
[2017-02-26 20:31:53 CET] <heinz> with basic?
[2017-02-26 20:32:11 CET] <heinz> and real or virt lghts?
[2017-02-26 20:32:20 CET] <rune> No screen routines, movement etc in M/C or Forth
[2017-02-26 20:32:22 CET] <heinz> lights
[2017-02-26 20:32:41 CET] <heinz> i see.
[2017-02-26 20:32:44 CET] <rune> Yes, I wrote something similar in ADA at university.
[2017-02-26 20:33:07 CET] <heinz> but the h4th-grphic
[2017-02-26 20:33:14 CET] <heinz> is to roough.
[2017-02-26 20:33:15 CET] <rune> You can simulate different traffic density and light seuqncing to show how flow changes 
[2017-02-26 20:33:36 CET] <heinz> for zx spectrum?
[2017-02-26 20:33:46 CET] <rune> Just use X for the cars. R/A/G for the light
[2017-02-26 20:34:15 CET] <rune> On either, Spectrum would be nicer
[2017-02-26 20:34:29 CET] <heinz> send it if completed.
[2017-02-26 20:34:45 CET] <rune> OK, planning in my head at the moment
[2017-02-26 20:35:11 CET] <heinz> ok dave, now i will care about brigitte.
[2017-02-26 20:35:17 CET] <rune> I have set up a nice machine code development system for the ZX81
[2017-02-26 20:35:36 CET] <rune> Yes, tell her I wish her well and hpoe she feels bvetter soon
[2017-02-26 20:35:42 CET] <rune> Bye
[2017-02-26 20:35:44 CET] <heinz> will do.
[2017-02-26 20:35:55 CET] <heinz> all the best for lizz too.
[2017-02-26 20:36:03 CET] <heinz> liz
[2017-02-26 20:36:07 CET] <rune> Thanks, talk next week?
[2017-02-26 20:36:11 CET] <heinz> next sunday?
[2017-02-26 20:36:14 CET] <rune> Yep
[2017-02-26 20:36:19 CET] <heinz> yes. of . course.
[2017-02-26 20:36:23 CET] <heinz> byye
[2017-02-26 20:36:25 CET] <rune> bye
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