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[2016-12-18 20:00:49 CET] <rune> Hi Heinz, made it here this weekend
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[2016-12-18 20:01:31 CET] <heinz> hello dave
[2016-12-18 20:01:47 CET] <rune> hello, how are you this week? all set for santa
[2016-12-18 20:02:11 CET] <heinz> yes, everything prepared.
[2016-12-18 20:02:33 CET] <rune> I just got last parcels posted today. Now I do nothing else
[2016-12-18 20:03:01 CET] <heinz> what did  you find on th christmas market?
[2016-12-18 20:03:18 CET] <rune> I did nothing, Liz spent a lot of money
[2016-12-18 20:03:42 CET] <rune> There was the usual christmas stuff, brass band carols etc
[2016-12-18 20:04:02 CET] <rune> If it had Christmas in front of the name it was 3x the price normally
[2016-12-18 20:04:20 CET] <heinz> same here
[2016-12-18 20:04:47 CET] <rune> Wordt was 4.00 for 2 slice of christmas cake.
[2016-12-18 20:04:49 CET] <heinz> most kiosks sell food and drinks
[2016-12-18 20:04:58 CET] <rune> Supermarket would have been 1.00
[2016-12-18 20:05:51 CET] <rune> Yes, being a scotsman I held onto my money tighly :)
[2016-12-18 20:06:14 CET] <heinz> are you from scotland?
[2016-12-18 20:06:21 CET] <rune> Yes
[2016-12-18 20:06:56 CET] <rune> Near Lanark, between Glasgow and Edinburgh
[2016-12-18 20:06:59 CET] <heinz> scottish have voted for eu, isnt it?
[2016-12-18 20:07:18 CET] <rune> Yesm but maybe its because England didnt
[2016-12-18 20:07:57 CET] <heinz> i found lanark on the map
[2016-12-18 20:08:06 CET] <heinz> it is very north.
[2016-12-18 20:08:34 CET] <heinz> oh,
[2016-12-18 20:08:40 CET] <heinz> not so north.
[2016-12-18 20:08:44 CET] <rune> Yes, did you ever see the film Braveheart
[2016-12-18 20:09:06 CET] <heinz> same latitude as copenhagen
[2016-12-18 20:09:32 CET] <heinz> no, didnt watch thi movi.
[2016-12-18 20:09:37 CET] <rune> Scotland benefits from the Gulf stream and doesnt freeze.
[2016-12-18 20:09:38 CET] <heinz> movie
[2016-12-18 20:09:42 CET] <rune> Yep
[2016-12-18 20:10:06 CET] <heinz> is it worth watching?
[2016-12-18 20:10:08 CET] <rune> Ah well, Lanark was where Wallace started the war of independance
[2016-12-18 20:10:28 CET] <rune> Glasgow is as far north as Moscow
[2016-12-18 20:11:08 CET] <rune> The movie is mostly hollywood nonsense, but yes, its worth watching
[2016-12-18 20:11:25 CET] <heinz> oh, really
[2016-12-18 20:11:29 CET] <rune> Dont expect historical accuracy
[2016-12-18 20:12:12 CET] <rune> Another fact - Nowhere in Scotland is more than 35 miles from the sea
[2016-12-18 20:12:51 CET] <heinz> land of fishn ips?
[2016-12-18 20:12:56 CET] <heinz> chips
[2016-12-18 20:13:11 CET] <rune> You dont know how correct you are
[2016-12-18 20:13:17 CET] <rune> and deep fried mars bar
[2016-12-18 20:13:47 CET] <heinz> mars b?
[2016-12-18 20:13:51 CET] <heinz> ba
[2016-12-18 20:13:56 CET] <heinz> bar?
[2016-12-18 20:14:05 CET] <rune> Yes, do you know the seet - mars bar
[2016-12-18 20:14:18 CET] <rune> Sweet
[2016-12-18 20:15:13 CET] <heinz> ou men the sweets mars?
[2016-12-18 20:15:21 CET] <heinz> you mean
[2016-12-18 20:15:54 CET] <rune> Yes, about 100mm long, chocolater and camamel
[2016-12-18 20:16:06 CET] <heinz> yes i know
[2016-12-18 20:16:08 CET] <rune> Did it in batter and deep fry it
[2016-12-18 20:16:28 CET] <rune> Very very sweet. 
[2016-12-18 20:16:43 CET] <heinz> never tried tthat way.
[2016-12-18 20:17:00 CET] <rune> Its instant heart attack for us old guys
[2016-12-18 20:17:02 CET] <heinz> it will smell.
[2016-12-18 20:17:23 CET] <rune> No, similar to chinese battered banana fritter
[2016-12-18 20:17:39 CET] <rune> but a lot sweeter
[2016-12-18 20:18:01 CET] <heinz> we dont have a fryer
[2016-12-18 20:18:20 CET] <rune> neither do wee, its sold in some fish and chip shops
[2016-12-18 20:18:55 CET] <rune> Before I forget, at work I have found lots of "Voice cards" for our kit
[2016-12-18 20:18:57 CET] <heinz> there are no such huts here.
[2016-12-18 20:19:15 CET] <rune> They will never be used again, biut have some interesting parts
[2016-12-18 20:19:46 CET] <rune> There is a nice 2 x 11W amplifier with a very neet heatsink
[2016-12-18 20:20:06 CET] <rune> and some sort of voice chip, but the vaoice isnt robotic so it may be an eprom
[2016-12-18 20:20:34 CET] <rune> I'm going to grab a few, could you use either amplifier or chip?
[2016-12-18 20:20:41 CET] <heinz> just fixe words?
[2016-12-18 20:20:49 CET] <heinz> fixed
[2016-12-18 20:21:01 CET] <heinz> no variability?
[2016-12-18 20:21:04 CET] <rune> Yes, like "Please take you ticket"
[2016-12-18 20:21:37 CET] <rune> I dont think they can be changed. I know a site in Glasgow was going to get Sean Connery to record the messages
[2016-12-18 20:21:42 CET] <heinz> do they still work?
[2016-12-18 20:21:44 CET] <rune> but it was too expensive
[2016-12-18 20:22:09 CET] <rune> Yes, everything works. There is also a small microprocessor
[2016-12-18 20:22:25 CET] <rune> that can be programmed but I dont think its of any use
[2016-12-18 20:22:35 CET] <heinz> how do they work? mp3 files?
[2016-12-18 20:23:08 CET] <rune> I have no idea. My colleague was showing me them last week, but I was too busy to pay much attention
[2016-12-18 20:23:32 CET] <rune> But he had the tech sheets from the web. For me the amplifier looks good
[2016-12-18 20:23:38 CET] <heinz> please, send a photo of the boards.
[2016-12-18 20:23:57 CET] <heinz> or tech sheet.
[2016-12-18 20:24:03 CET] <rune> OK, I'll do it Tuesday when I am in the office
[2016-12-18 20:24:30 CET] <rune> If they are any use you can have as many as you want
[2016-12-18 20:24:49 CET] <heinz> ok, will thnk about it.
[2016-12-18 20:25:06 CET] <rune> Any new projects started
[2016-12-18 20:25:12 CET] <heinz> do you tinker with vacuum tubes?
[2016-12-18 20:25:39 CET] <rune> No, I remember them but never did anything
[2016-12-18 20:25:43 CET] <rune> Do you
[2016-12-18 20:25:48 CET] <heinz> yes,
[2016-12-18 20:26:06 CET] <heinz> but  only with battery (100volt)
[2016-12-18 20:26:10 CET] <rune> Any equipment?
[2016-12-18 20:26:21 CET] <heinz> portable radios.
[2016-12-18 20:26:35 CET] <heinz> new projects:
[2016-12-18 20:26:47 CET] <heinz> did you try enigma?
[2016-12-18 20:26:48 CET] <rune> They amplifiers are supposed to sound better than modern ones
[2016-12-18 20:27:17 CET] <rune> Yes, I did but havent looked at how to encrypt a message yet
[2016-12-18 20:27:29 CET] <heinz> this is a myth
[2016-12-18 20:27:33 CET] <rune> Is there an interface to do that
[2016-12-18 20:27:38 CET] <rune> Sound?
[2016-12-18 20:28:03 CET] <heinz> yes, sound.
[2016-12-18 20:28:20 CET] <heinz> enigma:
[2016-12-18 20:28:21 CET] <heinz> (
[2016-12-18 20:28:42 CET] <rune> Why (?
[2016-12-18 20:28:45 CET] <heinz> think i have send you a programm showin the
[2016-12-18 20:29:11 CET] <heinz> presettings, the radiogram and the encoded text.
[2016-12-18 20:29:39 CET] <rune> All it seems to do is decode and print the message in line 180
[2016-12-18 20:29:49 CET] <heinz> righ.
[2016-12-18 20:29:53 CET] <heinz> right.
[2016-12-18 20:30:03 CET] <rune> No way to encode a message?
[2016-12-18 20:31:12 CET] <heinz> but,, if you chang the radiogram in your own text and apply the pgm, it willl  code your text.
[2016-12-18 20:32:22 CET] <rune> Cant load it to look just now
[2016-12-18 20:32:51 CET] <rune> Ooops forgot it was a TAP and needed LOAD""
[2016-12-18 20:32:52 CET] <heinz> i
[2016-12-18 20:33:21 CET] <heinz> leaned that jens has built a hardware verson of the enigma.
[2016-12-18 20:34:13 CET] <rune> What! Now Way! I saw a picture and its complicated
[2016-12-18 20:34:18 CET] <heinz> was it en6?
[2016-12-18 20:34:47 CET] <heinz> yes, a raher big board
[2016-12-18 20:34:50 CET] <rune> It wasy the Navy version with 4 rotors
[2016-12-18 20:35:10 CET] <heinz> with 10 chips; 26 leds
[2016-12-18 20:35:40 CET] <rune> No real hardware, all logic in chips? Still very impressive
[2016-12-18 20:35:51 CET] <heinz> you know that we will have our meeting in apri.
[2016-12-18 20:36:06 CET] <rune> Yep, mallherts
[2016-12-18 20:36:24 CET] <heinz> there jen and roko will present their results.
[2016-12-18 20:36:58 CET] <rune> What happened to thyis years. I was looking for pics/reports
[2016-12-18 20:37:09 CET] <heinz> mahlerts would be interesting for you.
[2016-12-18 20:37:26 CET] <heinz> the pgm is not fixd now.
[2016-12-18 20:37:32 CET] <rune> It would, flea market, ZXs everywhere
[2016-12-18 20:37:55 CET] <rune> Are you going this year
[2016-12-18 20:37:57 CET] <heinz> depends on what the participants will bring.
[2016-12-18 20:38:34 CET] <heinz> i will go, and there werealways two guys from uk.
[2016-12-18 20:38:49 CET] <rune> I miss the computer clubs and groups from the 80s. You are lucky having an active scene in germany
[2016-12-18 20:39:15 CET] <rune> Are all presentations in german
[2016-12-18 20:39:25 CET] <heinz> yes, but the members are getting older.
[2016-12-18 20:40:21 CET] <heinz> presentations are in german, but if there are guests from abroad (uk, poland) also in eglish.
[2016-12-18 20:41:06 CET] <rune> If I could make it I would go, but its a long way
[2016-12-18 20:41:18 CET] <rune> I wonder how far to drive....
[2016-12-18 20:41:44 CET] <heinz> might be you could join the both guys from uk?
[2016-12-18 20:42:28 CET] <rune> Maybe, I'd need to see who they are. 
[2016-12-18 20:42:41 CET] <rune> Whats the nearest "big town to there"
[2016-12-18 20:42:55 CET] <heinz> i always forget the namess.
[2016-12-18 20:43:14 CET] <heinz> of th english friends.
[2016-12-18 20:43:26 CET] <heinz> next town is fulda.
[2016-12-18 20:44:21 CET] <rune> 10 hours, 671 miles
[2016-12-18 20:44:36 CET] <heinz> yes, very far.
[2016-12-18 20:45:23 CET] <rune> Through Belgium and Germany. Cant be bad, its misses France ;)
[2016-12-18 20:45:34 CET] <heinz> ot convinient to travel alone.
[2016-12-18 20:46:08 CET] <rune> No, although my colleague drives to Besancon in France regulary
[2016-12-18 20:46:13 CET] <rune> On his own
[2016-12-18 20:46:44 CET] <heinz> go to groningen and join roko.
[2016-12-18 20:47:13 CET] <heinz> h and udy have a big car.
[2016-12-18 20:47:57 CET] <heinz> he and rudy
[2016-12-18 20:48:17 CET] <rune> Thats nearly as far, 590 miles, Id have to swing north from Belgium
[2016-12-18 20:48:43 CET] <heinz> right.
[2016-12-18 20:48:54 CET] <heinz> i had a looto the map.
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[2016-12-18 20:49:29 CET] <zx81jens> hey guys
[2016-12-18 20:49:32 CET] <rune> I could fly to Frankfurt and hire a car
[2016-12-18 20:49:37 CET] <rune> Hi Jens
[2016-12-18 20:49:38 CET] <heinz> hello jens.
[2016-12-18 20:49:45 CET] <heinz> how are ou?
[2016-12-18 20:50:21 CET] <heinz> jens will ogan the next meeting.
[2016-12-18 20:50:30 CET] <heinz> organize
[2016-12-18 20:50:47 CET] <rune> At Malherts?
[2016-12-18 20:51:05 CET] <zx81jens> i am fine. i had a cherry before dinner :-)
[2016-12-18 20:51:08 CET] <heinz> jens, who will come from uk?
[2016-12-18 20:51:59 CET] <zx81jens> charie and andy could not come to mahlerts :-/
[2016-12-18 20:52:27 CET] <rune> Charlie of ZXEpand?
[2016-12-18 20:52:34 CET] <heinz> i iss a pitty. did they already refue?
[2016-12-18 20:52:40 CET] <heinz> refus
[2016-12-18 20:52:50 CET] <heinz> refuse
[2016-12-18 20:53:17 CET] <zx81jens> yes. charlie is working on the ZXPand2
[2016-12-18 20:53:18 CET] <heinz> i am writing on a real zx81.
[2016-12-18 20:53:57 CET] <heinz> i dont need a zxpand. really satisfied by he zxnu.
[2016-12-18 20:54:05 CET] <rune> Im not
[2016-12-18 20:54:25 CET] <rune> Im the same with ZXNU, havent used my ZXpand for a long time
[2016-12-18 20:55:06 CET] <heinz> jens, are yyou the only one with an enigma?
[2016-12-18 20:55:45 CET] <zx81jens> the zxpand is great. and you can go online with it. but only 32k ram is the limit. i use the zx-nu also. 56k ram
[2016-12-18 20:56:23 CET] <rune> Guys, I have to go now. Got the dinner dishes to do before she who must be obeyed gets in from work
[2016-12-18 20:56:44 CET] <zx81jens> well, i think i am the only one with an enigma in the team. but roelof will show an emulation on the spectrum.
[2016-12-18 20:57:04 CET] <zx81jens> from dish-washer to millionaere :-)
[2016-12-18 20:57:28 CET] <heinz> roko told me abou it.
[2016-12-18 20:57:31 CET] <zx81jens> cu next time
[2016-12-18 20:57:41 CET] <rune> Nice speaking to you Jens, Bye both
[2016-12-18 20:57:42 CET] <heinz> but i will leave now, too
[2016-12-18 20:57:51 CET] <heinz> bye.
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