[2016-06-27 20:47:42 CEST] * Outsoft joined [2016-06-27 23:41:13 CEST] * Outsoft quit (Leaving...) [2016-06-29 16:22:46 CEST] * heinz joined [2016-06-29 16:23:00 CEST] hello alto [2016-06-29 16:24:17 CEST] still at paeijaenne? [2016-06-29 16:26:41 CEST] hello heinz [2016-06-29 16:26:48 CEST] nope, back to work again [2016-06-29 16:27:07 CEST] or I just got home [2016-06-29 16:27:38 CEST] I am trying to fix and clean a rotary phone I bought [2016-06-29 16:28:34 CEST] what do you want to do with it? [2016-06-29 16:28:52 CEST] I will have it in my livingroom as a decoration.. and sometimes call with it :) [2016-06-29 16:29:29 CEST] the ringing sound is very nostalgic ! [2016-06-29 16:29:44 CEST] does it use impulse dialing""? [2016-06-29 16:30:00 CEST] it does [2016-06-29 16:30:20 CEST] what did you pay for it? [2016-06-29 16:30:37 CEST] I had to buy a impulse->DTMF converter because my voip box doesn't accept pulse [2016-06-29 16:30:48 CEST] it was 15 euros for the phone [2016-06-29 16:31:11 CEST] quite reasonable. [2016-06-29 16:31:34 CEST] what color? bblack? [2016-06-29 16:31:42 CEST] before I do more with it, i should take it apart and put all the plastic parts into a dishwasher [2016-06-29 16:32:06 CEST] it is so sticky that it is disgusting to touch it :( [2016-06-29 16:32:26 CEST] it is "wine red".. Ericsson Dialog. [2016-06-29 16:32:37 CEST] prevent of dissolving [2016-06-29 16:32:57 CEST] in the dishwasher [2016-06-29 16:33:04 CEST] maybe i should handwash instead [2016-06-29 16:33:17 CEST] would be better. [2016-06-29 16:33:25 CEST] also, the carbon microphone sound was very weak [2016-06-29 16:33:47 CEST] I read from a forum that tapping it gently or shaking it might fix it [2016-06-29 16:33:49 CEST] voltage to low? [2016-06-29 16:34:11 CEST] i measured it with the ohm-meter.. 4 kohm [2016-06-29 16:34:23 CEST] after shaking it was 1 kohm [2016-06-29 16:34:27 CEST] no, i mean the voltage. [2016-06-29 16:34:32 CEST] but i understood it should be even lower [2016-06-29 16:34:36 CEST] the power supply. [2016-06-29 16:34:53 CEST] could be.. the VoIP box has a setting page with voltages [2016-06-29 16:35:19 CEST] remember that the voltages for such devices was 20-60v [2016-06-29 16:35:24 CEST] and if nothing helps, I can turn the microphone gain UP from there [2016-06-29 16:36:00 CEST] 4 kohm seems o.k. [2016-06-29 16:36:03 CEST] I remember reading that those VoIP boxes usually give out 24V max [2016-06-29 16:36:21 CEST] 24v could be enough. [2016-06-29 16:37:24 CEST] does the resistance of the mic change during shaking? [2016-06-29 16:38:00 CEST] I think it went down after the shake [2016-06-29 16:38:08 CEST] are the contact pads clean? [2016-06-29 16:38:43 CEST] could check.. they must be silver coated [2016-06-29 16:40:26 CEST] i maean the pads in the tube. [2016-06-29 16:41:15 CEST] also the microphone capsule looks like silver coated [2016-06-29 16:41:35 CEST] ( had a look to ebay. the prices of such devices are about 40eur. [2016-06-29 16:42:26 CEST] I think this was the most common phone in this country.. there must be still a lot around [2016-06-29 16:42:40 CEST] good luck. [2016-06-29 16:42:57 CEST] was nice to talk with you. [2016-06-29 16:43:05 CEST] thanks, nice talking to you too [2016-06-29 16:43:10 CEST] bye. [2016-06-29 16:43:11 CEST] could start taking it apart now [2016-06-29 16:43:12 CEST] bye [2016-06-29 16:43:23 CEST] * heinz quit (EOT) [2016-06-29 18:48:54 CEST] * zx81jens joined [2016-06-29 18:49:04 CEST] hey arto! [2016-06-29 18:49:21 CEST] hello jens [2016-06-29 18:49:28 CEST] i just read the log. you have a new phone :-) [2016-06-29 18:49:42 CEST] very nostalgic [2016-06-29 18:49:43 CEST] yes, it is fun :) [2016-06-29 18:49:53 CEST] soaking the wires in a bucket with soap... so stickyy [2016-06-29 18:51:35 CEST] i have one, too. and it works fine. in germany you can use impulse dialing till 2017, but i have voice over ip and have to use a converter [2016-06-29 18:52:19 CEST] i have voice over ip box only.. i wish i ordered one that supports pulse [2016-06-29 18:53:01 CEST] I bought a chinese "DIALOR 2.0" converter [2016-06-29 18:53:14 CEST] it should support sending a * and #.. and speed dials but no instructions [2016-06-29 18:55:14 CEST] i get mine at www.telefonmanufaktur.de - it works with my fritzbox and converts IWV to MFV [2016-06-29 18:55:36 CEST] but it is expensive. 65 euros [2016-06-29 18:56:12 CEST] what is IWV or MFV ? [2016-06-29 18:56:35 CEST] the chinese one was maybe 30 euros.. I was thinking of getting a dialgizmo first [2016-06-29 18:56:57 CEST] or building one out of an ATTINY85 [2016-06-29 18:57:03 CEST] there were instructions on the web [2016-06-29 18:58:18 CEST] Impuls Wahl Verfahren... sorry... german :-/ ... it means: from tackatackatacka to biepbiepbiep [2016-06-29 18:58:35 CEST] :-" [2016-06-29 18:59:16 CEST] the picture of it looks much like my chinese box [2016-06-29 19:00:13 CEST] well, the color is whiter [2016-06-29 19:01:30 CEST] i like old telephones. i was working with them in 1985 to phone into some mailboxes [2016-06-29 19:01:40 CEST] is your VoIP provider german? [2016-06-29 19:02:11 CEST] yes, i have a german provider [2016-06-29 19:03:40 CEST] I use localphone.com [2016-06-29 19:05:32 CEST] does the provider support calls to iNum numbers? +883 [2016-06-29 19:05:33 CEST] for free [2016-06-29 19:05:45 CEST] +883 150 [2016-06-29 19:07:02 CEST] no, i can talk to german numbers for a fixed price. to phone outside of germany is expensive [2016-06-29 19:07:50 CEST] I don't really call anyone.. only my parents [2016-06-29 19:07:58 CEST] you can only have german tel.numbers with my provider (kabeldeutschland.de - now vodafone.de) [2016-06-29 19:07:59 CEST] and that is around 30 minutes a month [2016-06-29 19:08:32 CEST] the localphone has numbers from many countries.. but it has a monthly fee... the +883 150 numbers are free [2016-06-29 19:08:36 CEST] i have my mobile phone. there i have a flatrate too, also for other mobile [2016-06-29 19:09:08 CEST] calling a finnish mobile phone from localphone.com was around the same rate as my GSM.. maybe 1 cents higher per minute [2016-06-29 19:10:27 CEST] united states calls are like 0.5 cents / minute.. I tried a BBS [2016-06-29 19:11:48 CEST] VoIP never got popular here.. most of the big operators tried and then stopped providing it [2016-06-29 19:13:30 CEST] i think that is a good thing. back in 1985 my parents have to pay 580 Deutsche Mark (about 300 euros) in one month, beause i phoned an american mailbox. after that i cant get hands on computers for a few month ;-) [2016-06-29 19:14:41 CEST] oh, I remember the test number "11" you mentioned [2016-06-29 19:14:44 CEST] in germany there is a lot of VoIP and the telekom (biggest provider) will have that 2020 complete [2016-06-29 19:15:09 CEST] yes, the "11" came after that :-) [2016-06-29 19:15:30 CEST] I never found any references from the internet about the "11" [2016-06-29 19:15:44 CEST] how did one dial it? Dial 0 from rotary and slap the hook switch? :) [2016-06-29 19:19:08 CEST] two ways. 1: dial a zero and then hit the cradle one short time... or 2: hit the cradle short eleven times (works better) [2016-06-29 19:19:40 CEST] what happened after that? was there a "menu" of some kind? [2016-06-29 19:19:49 CEST] but this function is no longer in progress. i think they shut it down in 1988 [2016-06-29 19:20:17 CEST] no, you have a freetone and could dial any number [2016-06-29 19:21:44 CEST] like a different dialtone? [2016-06-29 19:24:41 CEST] no. just the normal freetone. but the costs are no longer with your tlelphone, because this was now the line from the telekom [2016-06-29 19:25:54 CEST] but you could dial with regular pulse dial after that? or send tones in the american way like 2600Hz per pulse [2016-06-29 19:26:09 CEST] no, regular dialing [2016-06-29 19:26:36 CEST] sounds fun :) [2016-06-29 19:26:51 CEST] how about 12 or 13 or 14?? [2016-06-29 19:30:22 CEST] 11 = free line. 12 = you called the provider, hang up you phone and the provider call back (automatic). so the technition could test both ways of the line with the 12 [2016-06-29 19:32:36 CEST] http://aoh.fi/german.jpg [2016-06-29 19:32:43 CEST] I found a picture of the official dial :) [2016-06-29 19:34:12 CEST] "german-12-digit-dial" [2016-06-29 19:34:31 CEST] cool pic. i think that was a tech-tel [2016-06-29 19:40:22 CEST] my german trip was canceled [2016-06-29 19:40:28 CEST] it turned into a skype meeting instead [2016-06-29 19:44:18 CEST] sorry to hear that. but you mentioned that you didnt have much time to see the exhibition of classic video games. so it is not so bad... i will travel to great britain for big flight show in duxford (8-10.june) [2016-06-29 19:44:42 CEST] oh, are you a pilot? [2016-06-29 19:45:26 CEST] july i mean [2016-06-29 19:47:15 CEST] no, my brother is a pilot. i can fly, but no start and landing. i have so much hobbies (music, computers, movies) and dont have time for that. but i enjoy it flying with my brother from time to time [2016-06-29 19:48:15 CEST] ok.. [2016-06-29 19:48:24 CEST] it is also quite an expensive hobby [2016-06-29 19:48:56 CEST] my workmate tried flying experimental planes but after the License he said that an engineer in this city can't afford such hobby :) [2016-06-29 19:50:36 CEST] in germay the licence is expensice (about 10.000 euros) and you have to fly a lot of hours to keep the licence. so it is 4.000 a year on costs. [2016-06-29 19:51:17 CEST] if you want to take a look to duxford: www.flyinglegends.com [2016-06-29 19:52:43 CEST] i like the sound of the german me-109 [2016-06-29 19:53:39 CEST] that would be an interesting show to visit [2016-06-29 19:56:34 CEST] very very retro :-) [2016-06-29 19:57:10 CEST] there is a museum of old planes quite nearby but I never visited [2016-06-29 19:57:29 CEST] it is near our tiny airport :) for hobbyists only [2016-06-29 19:58:45 CEST] cool. we have somee museum too, but the biggest one i have ever saw was in washington - the air space museum of america. very big. you need two days to see all! [2016-06-29 19:59:31 CEST] i have a spitfire radio-controlled model. it flys well [2016-06-29 20:00:33 CEST] I tried a RC plane simulator on PC once.. with a proper controller [2016-06-29 20:00:40 CEST] i couldn't handle it [2016-06-29 20:00:48 CEST] if i had one, i'd break one right away [2016-06-29 20:03:11 CEST] i got my first rc-plane when i was 13. first flight, first crash. but my second flight (and second plane) was easy to handle. i sold everything when i was 21. last year i bought the spitfire and it was like never stopped flying [2016-06-29 20:05:23 CEST] i think these days it is easier to start the hobby because you can practice with a computer [2016-06-29 20:05:34 CEST] and then my workmates buy a lot of cheap chinese parts for those [2016-06-29 20:06:14 CEST] and build their own [2016-06-29 20:12:33 CEST] in 1983 i build my plane with my grandfather. that was fun, but a lot of work. today you can buy a ready-to-fly plane, load the batteries and go flying. in 1983 the plane and rc costs about 1.000 euros, today 300 [2016-06-29 20:12:59 CEST] very easy today [2016-06-29 20:14:08 CEST] my workmates also built some quadcopters [2016-06-29 20:14:50 CEST] but I never got involved in the RC business :) [2016-06-29 20:15:30 CEST] even our "hobby computer club" is officially an RC club.. but it has mostly old computers in there now [2016-06-29 20:15:35 CEST] qudros are really cool. i have a very small one (fun thing). but the big ones are expensive. [2016-06-29 20:16:03 CEST] but they dont fly :-) [2016-06-29 20:16:05 CEST] some planes hanging from the ceiling but I don't recall anyone building a plane there for a while [2016-06-29 20:16:43 CEST] I bought two small quadros (the ladybug looking thing) for some kids on the previous christmas... I think they were like 15 EUR each from china [2016-06-29 20:17:00 CEST] maybe I should have bought one for myself.. [2016-06-29 20:17:59 CEST] I had a Picoo Z copter (maybe 6 years ago) but it wasn't very good [2016-06-29 20:18:19 CEST] do that. its fun. the helis are not so easy to control [2016-06-29 20:19:24 CEST] or it had too little controls.. like when it was going forward, it was also going up [2016-06-29 20:19:29 CEST] or something around it [2016-06-29 20:20:39 CEST] wasn't a real copter (3D?) [2016-06-29 20:26:44 CEST] sorry. the doorbell [2016-06-29 20:27:17 CEST] my father just came in. i will go now but stay online (later :-) [2016-06-29 20:27:23 CEST] ok, see you :) [2016-06-29 20:27:30 CEST] I will go clean my phone [2016-06-29 20:27:39 CEST] ACTION AFK [2016-06-29 22:25:48 CEST] back online, but m father is still here. we are copying some pohotos. [2016-06-29 22:25:57 CEST] photos :-" [2016-06-29 22:36:50 CEST] ok :) [2016-06-29 22:37:14 CEST] I am trying to get enough microphone sound volume out of my phone.. something must be wrong [2016-06-29 22:41:42 CEST] I turn on the gain from the VoIP box to maximum and when I call an echo test, it is still not enough [2016-06-29 22:42:02 CEST] I am a quiet person too :( [2016-06-29 22:45:21 CEST] a phone is for talking and listening. if you dont talk, nobody will listen... but then you dont need a phone... its a crap... [2016-06-29 22:46:54 CEST] I'll have to find a replacement microphone... [2016-06-29 22:50:05 CEST] but where to find? [2016-06-29 22:52:25 CEST] maybe someone has them.. they made millions of these [2016-06-29 22:52:40 CEST] also, I could modernize it with an electret mic thing.. but it is not as fun [2016-06-29 22:53:17 CEST] do you know wha type of telephone it is? [2016-06-29 22:56:57 CEST] Ericsson Dialog [2016-06-29 22:57:17 CEST] maybe i'll call a friend tomorrow and test it.. it is quite late already [2016-06-29 23:01:46 CEST] do you have the model number? [2016-06-29 23:07:39 CEST] the only thing in the bottom is: 1 DLG 01231/ 51/25 HI 7924 [2016-06-29 23:13:25 CEST] looks like the ones with a model number are those new ones that just use the same name [2016-06-29 23:20:58 CEST] there is one on ebay.de : 311624667720 - is that like yours? [2016-06-29 23:22:43 CEST] yep, it is that one [2016-06-29 23:23:25 CEST] looks cool. [2016-06-29 23:27:15 CEST] reminds me of my grandparents :) [2016-06-29 23:27:43 CEST] too bad, their original phone is lost.. my dad recycled it [2016-06-29 23:29:56 CEST] 161697836775 is a replacement capsule on ebay but it is a bit higher than mine.. [2016-06-29 23:30:01 CEST] and it costs more than the phone :) [2016-06-29 23:34:56 CEST] maybe you only need some time to find one. [2016-06-29 23:43:23 CEST] could sleep now :) good night [2016-06-29 23:50:06 CEST] good night. i am going to sleep, too - tomorrow i will take a ole day in a computermuseum... www.hnf.de [2016-06-29 23:50:09 CEST] n8 [2016-06-29 23:50:15 CEST] * zx81jens quit (EOT) [2016-06-30 19:33:43 CEST] * Outsoft joined [2016-06-30 21:35:56 CEST] * Outsoft quit (Leaving...) 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