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[2016-05-15 19:57:54 CEST] * rune joined [2016-05-15 19:59:53 CEST] * heinz joined [2016-05-15 20:00:03 CEST] hi rune [2016-05-15 20:00:13 CEST] hello heinz [2016-05-15 20:00:25 CEST] are you enjoying the nice sunshine? [2016-05-15 20:00:35 CEST] what about the roman swords? [2016-05-15 20:00:48 CEST] here we have rain [2016-05-15 20:01:11 CEST] I was over talking to them today. They need to dig the ditch and get to roman [2016-05-15 20:01:27 CEST] just now its old bottles and plates from early 1900s [2016-05-15 20:01:45 CEST] thats not as old. [2016-05-15 20:02:24 CEST] no, he thinks the 1800 and 1900s people used the ditch as a dump. No rubbish collecting in those days [2016-05-15 20:02:45 CEST] But I looked at Lidar photos and can see the enclosure [2016-05-15 20:02:53 CEST] maybe a small fort or farm [2016-05-15 20:03:07 CEST] interesting. [2016-05-15 20:03:24 CEST] But good weather means little time for computers [2016-05-15 20:03:31 CEST] may be some forgotten golden coins? [2016-05-15 20:03:47 CEST] I did get another ZX 81 out, opened it up and everythings soldered directly to the board [2016-05-15 20:04:10 CEST] I found a gold ring near there. quite moedern though, 1960s [2016-05-15 20:04:31 CEST] why do you want to animate the old zeddies? [2016-05-15 20:04:50 CEST] No reason other than a challenge [2016-05-15 20:05:23 CEST] did you use hot air for desoldering? [2016-05-15 20:05:26 CEST] I fix things until they are working or totally beyond repair. usually the last option [2016-05-15 20:05:45 CEST] :-) [2016-05-15 20:05:54 CEST] No, I am afraid to. Tried to fixan XBox that way and set the PCB on fire [2016-05-15 20:06:25 CEST] Want to buy a pile of XBOX parts? Everything except motherboard ;) [2016-05-15 20:06:28 CEST] ( mad good experiences [2016-05-15 20:07:04 CEST] Yes, at the moment I have 4 working ZX81s plus the ZX NU. I dont need any more [2016-05-15 20:07:09 CEST] ( use a cheap one from a hardware store. [2016-05-15 20:07:38 CEST] do you program in forth? [2016-05-15 20:07:50 CEST] Im disappointed in the new membrane though, it lost the tracks on two lines. had to cut 5mm off it [2016-05-15 20:08:20 CEST] yes, the tails are long enough. [2016-05-15 20:08:23 CEST] I have often thought about it but never got further that entering some simple arithmatic [2016-05-15 20:08:27 CEST] RPN [2016-05-15 20:08:34 CEST] (ve cut them too. [2016-05-15 20:08:54 CEST] Yep, but on a new membrane - thats not good [2016-05-15 20:09:21 CEST] not with new membrans. [2016-05-15 20:09:50 CEST] i have a forth rom in oonne of my zx81. [2016-05-15 20:10:01 CEST] one of ... [2016-05-15 20:10:08 CEST] Is it one of the software versions? [2016-05-15 20:10:25 CEST] no, the h4th rom. [2016-05-15 20:11:20 CEST] Is it a full implementation? [2016-05-15 20:11:23 CEST] husband forth. [2016-05-15 20:11:53 CEST] may be not full, but suufficient. [2016-05-15 20:12:04 CEST] Would it be possible to make a rom for the NU with ZX81 and 4TH instead of ZX80? [2016-05-15 20:12:16 CEST] 16kb memory is required [2016-05-15 20:12:41 CEST] I have lots of memory packs. Two of them unused. [2016-05-15 20:12:48 CEST] i dont think so. [2016-05-15 20:13:31 CEST] Ah well, that would be a nice combo... I wonder if it could be used with the Memotech keyboard [2016-05-15 20:13:48 CEST] it work only ttogether with the zx81, not the nu. [2016-05-15 20:14:37 CEST] What ROMs do you need for the ZX81? Are they available now? [2016-05-15 20:14:49 CEST] if you have the eigghtyonne emulator, i could send you the rom file. [2016-05-15 20:15:39 CEST] Sure, that would be great. I'll give it a try. [2016-05-15 20:15:47 CEST] for the real zx881 you have to remove the rom. then you have to place there a 27256. [2016-05-15 20:16:19 CEST] Question, 81 Emulator only saves files as z81. Is there a converter to .p format? [2016-05-15 20:16:24 CEST] i will send it to yoou, together with the manual and some examples. [2016-05-15 20:16:42 CEST] Brilliant, thanks. [2016-05-15 20:17:04 CEST] that is the problem. yyou cannt save files. [2016-05-15 20:17:22 CEST] only on real tapes. [2016-05-15 20:18:04 CEST] So, you can save to tape? Thats not a great hardship except the ZX81 can be a pain with some recorders. [2016-05-15 20:18:09 CEST] good old tape recorder. [2016-05-15 20:18:23 CEST] But on an emulator I suppose you can save images [2016-05-15 20:18:49 CEST] i dont think so. [2016-05-15 20:18:57 CEST] did not try. [2016-05-15 20:19:32 CEST] keep in mind, there is a complete different operation system. [2016-05-15 20:19:50 CEST] all is forth based. [2016-05-15 20:20:02 CEST] Yes, Im sure. It saves an image of the ZX81 so you can save before running the program or at any point during the run. I use it to save games Im playing [2016-05-15 20:20:05 CEST] forth is the os. [2016-05-15 20:20:27 CEST] Yep, but the emulator can save the memory state at any time [2016-05-15 20:20:37 CEST] Do you use Forth a lot? [2016-05-15 20:21:07 CEST] not to much. because of the needed tape recorder. [2016-05-15 20:22:06 CEST] a soft ware compiler ffor the spectrum is much more comfortable. [2016-05-15 20:22:30 CEST] together with the if1bis. [2016-05-15 20:22:37 CEST] Last person I spoke to who used Forth was a beardy tech at uni back around 1992. [2016-05-15 20:22:57 CEST] Wasnt White Lightening on the Speccy based on Forth? [2016-05-15 20:23:09 CEST] no idea. [2016-05-15 20:23:38 CEST] do you heard about the jupiter ace? [2016-05-15 20:23:43 CEST] did [2016-05-15 20:23:51 CEST] I think it was. It was never popular though. The manual was black text on green paper to stop photocopying. Also stopped people reading it [2016-05-15 20:24:10 CEST] :-) [2016-05-15 20:24:38 CEST] Yes, that was designed by two fo the guys who worked for Sinclair. they went their own way and made the Jupiter Ace [2016-05-15 20:25:20 CEST] I saw the remains of the company for sale on eBay. There were the last remaining ACEs, lots of software, documents etc. Want 30,000 [2016-05-15 20:25:23 CEST] right. and the os for juup ace is forth. [2016-05-15 20:25:49 CEST] Its supposed to be very fast [2016-05-15 20:26:12 CEST] you did not spend that money? [2016-05-15 20:26:45 CEST] No, I had an electricity bill to pay that week [2016-05-15 20:27:05 CEST] Heres a link for a multi ROM including h4th. [2016-05-15 20:27:07 CEST] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-f26z8Vqo4 [2016-05-15 20:27:16 CEST] Looks interesting [2016-05-15 20:27:18 CEST] no solar on your roof? [2016-05-15 20:28:25 CEST] Come on, we live in the UK. Only thing on our roof is rain [2016-05-15 20:29:07 CEST] i lived in dublin for a month. the same. [2016-05-15 20:29:39 CEST] Yep, I worked there a lot. At least there was Guinness. Dublin is a nice city [2016-05-15 20:29:57 CEST] Were you at the university? [2016-05-15 20:30:05 CEST] yes, [2016-05-15 20:30:23 CEST] I visited a few times to see the book of Kells [2016-05-15 20:30:53 CEST] at university colleg and for a talk in th old british university in the center. forgot the name. [2016-05-15 20:31:02 CEST] Trinity ? [2016-05-15 20:31:04 CEST] trinity colleg. [2016-05-15 20:31:11 CEST] co [2016-05-15 20:31:18 CEST] college [2016-05-15 20:31:47 CEST] trinity looks like in harry potter. [2016-05-15 20:32:08 CEST] Thats it. Did you ever do the statue trail. Irish are very irreverant about their heritage [2016-05-15 20:32:31 CEST] the is a no, i didnt. [2016-05-15 20:33:16 CEST] first thing my irish collegue has shown me were some movies about revolution in 1900. [2016-05-15 20:33:24 CEST] We used to see how many we could find. Molly Malone = The tar with the cart. [2016-05-15 20:33:46 CEST] Yes , a sad day. Fought the british and then fought each other. [2016-05-15 20:34:09 CEST] ok. [2016-05-15 20:34:19 CEST] Ireland has been torn apart with religious intolerance [2016-05-15 20:34:37 CEST] iif you have still good wheather, we should finish now. [2016-05-15 20:34:48 CEST] Irish chirch on one side and British landowners on the other. [2016-05-15 20:35:03 CEST] We are watching amovie and having a beer [2016-05-15 20:35:07 CEST] yes, i learnned about that. [2016-05-15 20:35:51 CEST] Its Lizs birthday today so I should really go. Im working in Plymouth all next week so may be offline most of it [2016-05-15 20:35:53 CEST] did you ttry the whistle? [2016-05-15 20:36:10 CEST] MrX? [2016-05-15 20:36:19 CEST] have a nice rest of the day. [2016-05-15 20:36:33 CEST] no irish whistlles. [2016-05-15 20:36:36 CEST] Whistle? You have me puzzled [2016-05-15 20:36:44 CEST] national instrument. [2016-05-15 20:37:04 CEST] Oh, we had to learn a tune when I was in a boys organisation many years ago. [2016-05-15 20:37:18 CEST] Did a concert for the parents. It was a disaster. [2016-05-15 20:37:29 CEST] ;-) [2016-05-15 20:37:57 CEST] Also fell with it in my mouth. Nearly came out the back of my head. I had a sore throat for weeks [2016-05-15 20:38:45 CEST] awfu. [2016-05-15 20:38:51 CEST] awful [2016-05-15 20:39:04 CEST] But I will stop for tonight. I will put the h4th on my laptop to play with in the hotel [2016-05-15 20:39:16 CEST] awfu is the scots version. [2016-05-15 20:40:03 CEST] they absorb the letter l? [2016-05-15 20:40:27 CEST] yes, and the language is almost english [2016-05-15 20:40:49 CEST] english say its slang, but we know better :) [2016-05-15 20:41:01 CEST] ok. [2016-05-15 20:41:13 CEST] next sunday again? [2016-05-15 20:41:28 CEST] Yes, off course. I enjoy our chats [2016-05-15 20:41:38 CEST] me too. bye. [2016-05-15 20:41:50 CEST] OK, bye. questions by email [2016-05-15 20:42:02 CEST] yes. and h4th. [2016-05-15 20:42:13 CEST] * rune quit (Leaving) [2016-05-15 20:42:28 CEST] * heinz quit (EOT)